The struggle of Gps learning music and sheetmusic

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Gps wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:21 pm
https://soundcloud.com/user586365033/duality-1

What do you guys think ?
Nice.
The clap could be a little wider (stereo) and fuller (spectrum).
The partition of the hats lacks a little life (is there only one sample?).
Concerning arpeggios, you can bring variation with automations of filters or other effects (I'm remenbering the last tracks of InnerMost for example).
Indeed, the fade-out to close the track is not the best.
Thank you.

The hi hats are only one sample. I tried to mess with the velocity to give it more life.
Seems that was not enough. :)

I am wondering on how you would use more samples though on the hi hats?
An extra hihat to make it more bouncy, is probably what you're thinking about ?

The Pattern is now 0111,0111,0111 with one sample.

So something like

0111,0111,0111,0111 first sample
0010,0010,0010,0010 ? second sample ?

Now that you mention that clap. I wonder if I have used reverb yet, on that clap. oops.

I will have to come up with a better ending. :) Maybe a more dj friendly one for mixing.
Gps wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:28 pm
Thank you.

The hi hats are only one sample. I tried to mess with the velocity to give it more life.
Seems that was not enough. :)

I am wondering on how you would use more samples though on the hi hats?
An extra hihat to make it more bouncy, is probably what you're thinking about ?

The Pattern is now 0111,0111,0111 with one sample.

So something like

0111,0111,0111,0111 first sample
0010,0010,0010,0010 ? second sample ?

Now that you mention that clap. I wonder if I have used reverb yet, on that clap. oops.

I will have to come up with a better ending. :) Maybe a more dj friendly one for mixing.
From memory, I do not have a particular recipe concerning the hats, but one can think of:

- rhythmic shifts (small inaccuracies with little Q in the piano-roll),
- the use of several samples as you say,
- but also playing with the order of appearance of the samples (several combinations):

0 = no sample
1 = sample1
2 = sample2

0111-0112-0121-0211-0212-etc.

- the automation of ENV>VOLUME>ATT or REL
- the automation of EQ, filters, or other effect,
- ?

When a drummer plays with his hats, he can make them sound in many different ways, and I think he will never be able to sound his hats twice in the same way. That's what I mean by giving more life.

On the contrary, a sample is dead, it is a frozen sound that repeats itself identically. So, to give life to a sample, it may require the use of many additional tracks, or something more complexe than the use of only one pattern of only one sample.

But, well, all this is only my opinion, because until now, I do not have a single track that could be played on the radio :lol:
One thing i know about real drummers,, and what I probably learned on this forum, is that they (we) almost automatically put emphasis on the 1 , of 1,2,3,4.

There is no 1 for the hi hats in this track though :P

I will have a go at the hihats see if I can bring them alive :)

About a track that could be played on the radio.

For me duality is, although it needs a better ending.

Personal preference plays a big roll in this, but my track is for me much better then allot of music that does make it to the radio and charts. ( although mixing is probably something were I still need to learn the most )

I am however happy with the progress I keep making.

Not sure what to do next, maybe compile rc4 :)
Gps wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:21 pm
https://soundcloud.com/user586365033/duality-1

I think i made something beautiful. Will the feedback wake me up, or will people agree?

I have serious trouble, to stop listening to it. :)

The only part I am not 100% happy with, is the end.

What do you guys think ? As always just be honest, :) 135 bpm.
Ooooh.......This is sounding really cool. 8-)
You're really getting better and better at this, at a rapid rate. :D
It sounds, a bit like techo trance music, that came out before 2011.

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Okay, things I noticed. :)
I think the mixing, needs a tiny bit more work.
Somehow, the bass sound, (the one heard from the start, that one) sounds a
slight bit over filtered, or bleached out a bit.

And the entire track, needs a bit more volume.

Another thing I noticed, is that the fade out ending, doesn't sound bad at all.
Personally, I like the fade out ending. it kinda suits this style of trance music. :)

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Overall, this whole track sounds really cool man. :D
And I'm loving that melody alot.

Okay. That guy Israel armendez (hope I spelt his name right) who has a youtube channel
called Techno Trance channel is a techno trance fan, just like me.
And he's always looking for more, old school, techno trance sounding tunes.
It's possible, that he might be happy, to have that track on his spacey looking youtube channel.
Here's his channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6b3OYRKQ9Q
Techno trance :o lol

I think I like techno trance. I definitely like the first two tracks I clicked on.
And I think you found the genre that fits my track best.

In the second track though, why is there somebody singing, the track does not need that :P

Techno Epic Trance - Fly High (Extended) I do not like that singing much, rest of the track I do like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUmgNoqR2pc

For those that want that stutter sound in the link brandy posted, T force Alpha. ;)


I agree that it is a bit soft, but the lower end is already on the edge of clipping.
Vu meter is already yellow, so I do not know how to make it louder ?
brandystarbrite wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:10 am

Okay, things I noticed. :)
I think the mixing, needs a tiny bit more work.
Somehow, the bass sound, (the one heard from the start, that one) sounds a
slight bit over filtered, or bleached out a bit.
I have this prob a bit with the entire track, bleached out. Maybe I used too many synths that occupy the higher end of the spectrum ?
That channel looks interesting.
I am listening to allot of house.

I also did some more googling on house music.

I have at least figured out why its so hard for me to pick the difference between disco and house.

Short answer there is no difference.

Longer and more correct answer. :P
House started with disco records ( mixes) , with a drum computer to boost the beats.

Then later on the house producers got their hands on sampling machines.

When I say disco, I should be more specific. Its the funk - disco that was used in the early house tracks.

Disco like Chic - good times, of which the break also inspired some rappers.
Gps wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:52 pm
I am listening to allot of house.

I also did some more googling on house music.

I have at least figured out why its so hard for me to pick the difference between disco and house.

Short answer there is no difference.

Longer and more correct answer. :P
House started with disco records ( mixes) , with a drum computer to boost the beats.

Then later on the house producers got their hands on sampling machines.

When I say disco, I should be more specific. Its the funk - disco that was used in the early house tracks.

Disco like Chic - good times, of which the break also inspired some rappers.
Wooah! That is an interesting observation.

Here's something to think about:
Though I am not an expert, on these two types of music.
Have you ever noticed, that some old school house tracks, from the 80's and some of the
old school disco music, from the late 70's and 80's, have similar/almost similar kick drum timing
and beat patterns? Especially, during the tracks, start up intro's.
And sometimes, throughout the entire track itself?

Sometimes, when you listen to those tracks start up/intro, you can't even tell the difference
if it's a disco track, or if it's an old school house track, that's going to play.
Until like after the first minute or so and the song starts to add up and more instruments
start to play, then you realise what genre is playing. Kinda interesting eh? :)
Very interesting and exactly that.

The drum patterns are often the same. First house producer tried to imitate the disco drum patterns on sythns. :)

House started around 1988 if I get it right. ( but was not called house back then )

Then when I look at trance, often also those same drum patterns, but less syncopation, also in the bassline.

House has more syncopation then trance. ( more funk )

I think these are nice examples:

Do you wanna funk ? ( Disco / Funk )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeYUTbU_iTw

House ( Move you're body)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAR8cq5Bl94

Frankie - Knuckles you're love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOLE1YE_oFQ
House is more loopy.
Gotta have House, music, all night long

With that House, music, you can't go wrong
Give me that House, music, set me free
Lost in House, music, is where I wanna be ( Marshall Jefferson )

https://soundcloud.com/user586365033/charm2export

Work in progress although I feel stuck at the moment. Were to take this ?

Made this loop by improvising on my Keystation mini 32, then deleted most and kept the good part, and changed it a bit.

Exported this from RC4 installed through AppImage. :)

Made on rc3, but I had some export issues with rc 3.

I knew there was some funk ( dare I say jazz :P ) in me, maybe it finally starting to get out ? :mrgreen:
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