Long-term collaboration on an album until it makes it

Share and discuss your LMMS music projects here, and see what people think!
EDIT: Here's what we have so far:

My Tea Is Too Hot (CaLRo):

Original: https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=7918
High On Remix: https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=7919

Ideality (High On):

Original: https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=7902
CaLRo Remix: https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=7989
Tanner re-remix: https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=8018
High On low-CPU re-remix: https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=8019

Adverse Effects (High On):

Original: https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=8015
AZ Remix: https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=8024

Formerly Electro House (AZ):

Original: https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=8029
High On Remix: https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=8032

I went by the artist name Love Amplifier until two days ago I renamed myself "HIGH ON".

I couldn't help but notice that I might actually be the most successful musician who uses LMMS. I make enough off my music to pay for my lifestyle, and I work full-time on music and free software.

I write WTF DJ for chrome, a program that, together with LMMS, replaces Ableton for me. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... djcf?hl=en.

There aren't any LMMS users on Wikipedia's LMMS article yet.

Who wants to help me change this?

I, for one, am getting seriously close to forking the whole damn thing and porting it to chrome's native client so trendy hipster DJs can smash their laptops or phones on the stage at the end of their sets.

WTF DJ already does the Ableton-like mixing portion of the job, and that's like 300 lines of javascript. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtvufOZKOMM

But who cares, that's just free software. I can work full-time on free software, and make "enough" money off of the music I make while testing the software. Not everyone has that option.

No, that's wrong. You DO have that option. If I can get five of you to join a band, and fix the music up so my record label will publish it, I will straight up make five times as much money, and you will get the same amount.

I don't care about the money. I care about doing something notable with my life.

My record label is on Wikipedia. My DAW is on wikipedia.

I could start a record label, and I am writing a DAW, but I would rather be notable for music first.

Does anyone here want to get serious and say, "I don't care, we can make it if we work together"?

Here's my plan:

1. - We each submit one track, up to half an hour long.
(Mine is 23 minutes long, if I get one other person to put that much effort in, we will already have an album's worth of material.)
2. - We take turns remixing the "x remix" of the track, where x is the name we choose for our collaboration.
3. - We repeatedly submit our best collaborative efforts as demos to record labels seeking submissions.

Does this seem like a bad idea to anyone? I think we can make this work. The best projects in the LSP are all remixes of other people's work, and it really shows what it is that's "missing" from each of our own works: a combined effort.

I know we all love how our own tracks sound but if we're going to change them so that everyone loves them, why not get started with the people who can make changes by themselves?

I've remixed 10 different people's tracks from the LSP already.

Imagine if we all worked together on those tracks. Repeatedly, for a year. Where would we be?

I'm done imagining. NOW IS THE TIME.

So, if anyone wants to get started, post a soundcloud link here of your best song.

We'll worry about the project files later, let's just get the blueprint for a solid EDM album going on in this thread.

I worked hard on this track, I will work just as hard on yours.

https://soundcloud.com/highon/no-way
This is a loud message, so watch out for clipping.
You dare to dream big, and I like that.

I've done some LMMS collabs in the past, and have learned some amazing new things that I would not have learned on my own. But in terms of scale/scope, none of my previous collabs come even close to this album proposal.

With the points you laid out in your first post, I'm not entirely convinced of this having a chance of success. It's a very long-term collab indeed. We will need people who have a good amount of experience with LMMS, collabs, and all the things that come with them.

I'm not saying that the album is impossible, but maybe we should break things down into managable pieces. In this old post I suggested 2-minute collabs to get more people into the realm of collaborating. Why don't we start with that and forget the 30 min. tracks for now?

For clarity's sake, we are talking about a collab album, not a compilation/remix album, right?
Yes, I'm talking about a collab album. Here's why:

After spending time in the LSP looking at people's tracks produced individually, and looking at tracks worked on by more than one person, I've found that the tracks we're producing individually are NOWHERE NEAR as good as the tracks we collaborate on.

I think the fact of the matter is, none of us have the budget to spend large amounts of money on monitors, headphones, etc. so having more than one person listen to a track and put their own "spin" on it is making up for that.

I'm taking the lead on this because I live on disability income. I have bipolar disorder and go through cycles of mania and depression with no predictable duration. I take very strong medications for it, but they don't get rid of the cycle, they just get rid of the delusions I have while I'm manic or depressed.

As a result, I'm completely unable to hold down a regular job, but I'm able to put a large amount of effort into my own personal projects during my manic periods. I might not be available every day, but when I do get to work, I get a lot done.

I've been producing at least 10 tracks a week since the beginning of this month, if I keep this pace up, that's 520 productions by this time next year. For me personally, it takes between 3 and 4 hours to produce or remix a track using LMMS, up until the point where I feel there isn't anything more I can do with it and still have it sound better than before.

Last week, I remixed 10 different peoples' tracks from the LSP, and produced just one track of my own, the track that I linked to.

I found that the tracks I remix sound WAY better than the majority of the tracks I've produced on my own, and that one track I produced with the intent for others to remix it is my favorite I've ever written, by any standard I can come up with.

I think centering around the use of the LSP will be key to making this project work. Everything LMMS-related is named very descriptively and straight-forward, so I'm going to go ahead and name this project the "LSPS", or the "LMMS Sharing Platform Supergroup".

I'm going to start remixing other people's remixes as "Composer Name - Track Title (LSPS Remix)(WIP), and include the names of everyone who's worked on it so far in the file description. I will also create new songs by combining pieces of other people's songs, and name the tracks "LSPS - Track Title (WIP)", while including the names of everyone involved in the file description.

I can't think of a better way of organizing a project like this. Even without any other communication, if I keep doing 10 tracks a week like that for a year, we'll end up with several album's worth of tracks, all collaborations.

LMMS is a beautiful piece of software, and I'm committed to it. Five years ago I decided to spend the rest of my life working on music production and music software, and this year I decided that LMMS is the perfect starting point. I learned to write software by gradually designing my own DAW, but after downloading the source code for LMMS a few days ago, I found that it's designed exactly the same way I've been designing my own software. The playback engine is so similar to mine that it creates the same audible glitches during CPU overload.

Right now I'm working on porting LMMS to Google's portable native client, and packaging it as a chrome app. I have two perfectly good Samsung Chromebooks that run LMMS just fine inside a chroot, and it will be awesome to have LMMS running as a packaged app that I don't need to enable developer mode to install.
So you have several projects in mind:

- LSPS, remixing the LSP
- Collab album that somehow ties in with LSPS (by collab I also mean new original work, not just remixes)
- Google apps such as WTF DJ and an LMMS port

I don't have as much time and energy as you do. so my focus would be only on collaborating on some original work for the album.

If you are familiar with programming and writing software, consider joining the LMMS development team: https://github.com/LMMS/lmms/wiki
Hey guys! I'd love to join whatever you are doing here... Love Amplifier & High On already know me through SoundCloud...
I can also bring another friend of mine who produces music on LMMS, you can see his profile here - https://soundcloud.com/aditya-nair-336768555
Thx fr giving ur time in reading this... Appreciate it... :)

If you wanna check my songs out,
Ṁ€ on SoundCloud - https://soundcloud.com/melodemon




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caLRo wrote:So you have several projects in mind:
After I get it ported into a chrome app (could take weeks...) I'll start working on LMMS proper. I'm done working on WTF DJ, I can add all the features of that app into LMMS once I start working on it.

For a collaboration project, how do you suggest we start? There is a point during the remixing process where you can end up with an entirely new track that isn't a remix.

Why can't we start with tracks we've already made and just going halfway to that point, with each person who works on it adding in new patterns and instruments until it's almost, but not quite, an entirely new song?
loveamplifier wrote: For a collaboration project, how do you suggest we start? There is a point during the remixing process where you can end up with an entirely new track that isn't a remix.
I suggest we start with a short original track which could serve as an intro to the album. Let's try to keep the original-remix ratio at about 1:2, so for each original mix there will be two remixes of it. I have this project template that I often use for getting started on original mixes. You may find it useful as well.

https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=7379

I would suggest using email to communicate and share project files. I wouldn't want to spam LSP with all our WIPs projects.
loveamplifier wrote: Why can't we start with tracks we've already made and just going halfway to that point, with each person who works on it adding in new patterns and instruments until it's almost, but not quite, an entirely new song?
I don't think I agree with your definition of a remix. I don't derive original mixes from remixes. They wouldn't be original. However sometimes the line between original mix and remix isn't very clear, but we have to try to make that distinction, for legal reasons and such.

When I would start a collab with someone, I normally would like to know a few more details such as track genre, theme, production plan, release plan, and a general outline of the collab. Have you thought about these?
caLRo wrote: I would suggest using email to communicate and share project files. I wouldn't want to spam LSP with all our WIPs projects.
Why not? It's already what we're doing anyway... I'm just looking for a way of organizing what's already going on. If this isn't what the LSP is for, what is it or?
caLRo wrote: When I would start a collab with someone, I normally would like to know a few more details such as track genre, theme, production plan, release plan, and a general outline of the collab. Have you thought about these?
Like I said before, LMMS is clearly designed for producing Electronic Dance Music, and if you look at album-oriented EDM, it doesn't tend to stick to a particular subgenre of EDM for the whole album.

As for the production/release plan: I've noticed that I have the capacity to remix at least 10 tracks per week. By this time next year, that's 520 tracks, if I don't go back to the same tracks again and work on them more, which I will. The ratio you suggested is probably about right.

For release, I would suggest Magnatune. I've already signed contracts for them to release my first three LMMS-produced albums, and they've already told me that if I put together a collaboration project, everyone gets paid. (If they decide they like the music, that is!)
loveamplifier wrote:
caLRo wrote: I would suggest using email to communicate and share project files. I wouldn't want to spam LSP with all our WIPs projects.
Why not? It's already what we're doing anyway... I'm just looking for a way of organizing what's already going on. If this isn't what the LSP is for, what is it or?
What's usually going on on LSP isn't exactly a collab. It's just a place where people can share their LMMS projects, presets, etc. As far as I know, collabs are usually done in a closed group. LSP is open to everyone and there are no options to set uploaded content to private.

So I guess you meant this album to be a sort of open collab, where people are free to contribute by simply adding "LSPS" in the file names that they upload to LSP? This is not the type of collab I originally had in mind, but it's ok.
loveamplifier wrote:
caLRo wrote: When I would start a collab with someone, I normally would like to know a few more details such as track genre, theme, production plan, release plan, and a general outline of the collab. Have you thought about these?
For release, I would suggest Magnatune. I've already signed contracts for them to release my first three LMMS-produced albums, and they've already told me that if I put together a collaboration project, everyone gets paid. (If they decide they like the music, that is!)
At this point I'm not concerned about earning money. I've used a similar platform before called Tribe Of Noise, and these platforms are a good alternative (non-mainstream) attempt to get our music heard. As long as we retain rights and ownership of our tracks/albums and the contracts are not exclusive, I'm ok with Magnatune.

http://magnatune.com/info/terms
https://www.tribeofnoise.com/terms_of_use.php

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