Piano roll out of tune?

[Hpbirkeland]

Hi,
I have been playing with LMMS for a couple of days, and as far as I can tell the piano roll is out of tune! So say I play a G note on my guitar, to get the same in the piano roll I need to play an E. Three semitones lower. This will mean that if I import a recorded guitar track, I can't add instruments in LMMS in the same key. Any way to fix this? Or am I doing something wrong?

I am using instruments from the My Samples/Instruments folder. LMMS 1.2.2 on Linux Mint.

The way I discovered this was I had written a melody line in MuseScore and exported a midi file that I loaded in LMMS. At first it sounded a bit weird, and when I tried to play chords on the guitar along with it, it sounded horrible! So I investigated a bit and found that LMMS actually plays three semitones higher than my guitar, which is correctly tuned.

[musikbear]

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I have been playing with LMMS for a couple of days, and as far as I can tell the piano roll is out of tune!

My guess is that you have moved the dial for PITCH a little:


(3. from left)
Make sure that is at 0, then retry.
Let us know the outcome :)
If the issue persists, then please post your:
* Name of your **Operative System** (Windows/ Linux/ Mac) And subtype (Home' 'Mint' '10.13' aso)
* lmms **version** and the *site* where you got it from
* lmms **sound device** chosen
https://lmms.io/wiki/index.php?title=LM ... o_Settings

[SpinEternal]

https://prnt.sc/10hcl9e
When you click the vst , there is the square thing above the keyboard notes where you move it to select the tuning of each instrument .
In LMMS it is by deafult 3 notes higher than it should be (or something like that) !

[Hpbirkeland]

Thanks for the responses.
It seems like SpinEternal might be on to something. I tried to move the square from the A to the C and everything fell in place. I tried a few different instruments, and some are correct with the square at the A, some not. I also double checked with a note recognizer app on my phone, since I don't trust my ears 100% for this.

So what does that square actually mean? I haven't seen anything about it yet in the manual or the videos I have watched. And since it is not mentioned among the beginner stuff I wouldn't expect it to be something that was important to modify. Actually, I would expect any instrument to be playable as-is, without modification.

And to answer musikbear: OS is Linux Mint 20.1, LMMS version is 1.2.2, appimage from lmms.io, and sound device is the default ALSA device.

[Hpbirkeland]

And I forgot: No, the pitch dial was not moved.

[musikbear]

I tried to move the square from the A to the C and everything fell in place.

In a way that is not good, because it is wrong to move the 'square' away from A.
In LMMS the 'square' is named: Base-note

So what does that square actually mean?

It is the default tuning of instruments. A is generally used, and it is absolutely necessary to be tuned in A, in order to use the smart scale-tools in the context menu of the piano-roll.
Dont change base-note to C!

Actually, I would expect any instrument to be playable as-is, without modification.

They are, and base-note must be A.
Base-note is explained in the docs:
https://lmms.io/wiki/index.php?title=In ... #Base_note
I also do think that i have it in rookie-guide video:

OS is Linux Mint 20.1,
LMMS version is 1.2.2, appimage from lmms.io,
and sound device is the default ALSA device.

That looks fine.

The real question now is, why do you have your guitar tuned the way you have? You compared the tuning in LMMS with your guitar. But have you compared LMMS with a official sound-source
If you do, you will find that A4 is 440 hz. That is the 'concert-pitch'
Here is a demo:

Play the same A with only sine in LMMS. They are identical
LMMS is correctly tuned.

[Hpbirkeland]

Dont change base-note to C!

OK

They are, and base-note must be A.
Base-note is explained in the docs:
https://lmms.io/wiki/index.php?title=In ... #Base_note

Fine, I get that.

The real question now is, why do you have your guitar tuned the way you have? You compared the tuning in LMMS with your guitar. But have you compared LMMS with a official sound-source
If you do, you will find that A4 is 440 hz. That is the 'concert-pitch'
Here is a demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwK8AAC2fso
Play the same A with only sine in LMMS. They are identical
LMMS is correctly tuned.

Well, my guitar is correct, also compared to the A in the video.

The strangest thing is that when I try LMMS now, everything is fine again, also in that same project, after I changed the base-note back to A. Something weird was happening, but not anymore. So I'll let this rest for now. Thanks for your time!