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Re: layering a track ?

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:02 am
by brandystarbrite
Here's another one from LMMSdude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcM-6F8qyiw

In this tut, he shows you how to make a supersaw.
After making it, tweak settings as much as you like and make variations.
Enjoy! 8-)

Re: layering a track ?

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:48 am
by Gps
Another good tutorial, but I was more thinking about starting from scratch ?

Or are al ltriple ossicilator sounds made from the same start point ( sound file) ?

Re: layering a track ?

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:17 am
by brandystarbrite
Gps wrote:Another good tutorial, but I was more thinking about starting from scratch ?

Or are all triple ossicilator sounds made from the same start point ( sound file) ?
Aah! Now that is a good question.

Also, the good things about his tuts, is the fact that he does it, mainly from default settings, which makes it easy to understand and figure out.
Then he takes that default sound and tweaks it to his hearts content.

I think I'm gonna post some synth sound making tuts on the Lmms forums, and on youtube.
But I'll do that, as soon as I get a new PC.

Re: layering a track ?

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:54 am
by musikbear
In synthesis it is often favored to start from a 'negated envelope' :
DEL ATT DEC SUS REL == 0%, HOLD & AMT==100%

Since there only exists one waveshape, the sine, it is also with that shape in 1 OSC that you start at 'scratch'

The result is a horrible annoying monotone sound, without any variations at all.
But it is from that setup you learn what the single individual dials and settings, does to the sound.

When you add OSC, you set them 12 semitone lover than the previous one.

Re: layering a track ?

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:48 pm
by Gps
@ brandystarbrite, looking forward to you tutorials.

@musikbear, thank you. Twelve semitones interesting. I have been messing with all knobs, and this adds a bit to the puzzle.

Re: layering a track ?

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 5:18 pm
by slipstick
That's the CRS knob and 12 semitones = 1 octave. But you don't always have to be separated by octaves. Sometimes just mixing different wave shapes at exactly the same note can give you some interesting effects....particularly when you start playing with the FL, FR (fine tune) knobs in 3OSC to fatten the sound up (a bit like a Minimoog which always had the oscillators drifting a bit apart).

After you've done a bit of that basic testing of what does what it can be very informative to go back to some of the presets and work out how they're doing what they do.

I find the hardest bits of 3OSC to understand are the PM, AM, MIX etc buttons at the top, but perhaps that's just me :(.

Steve

Re: layering a track ?

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:18 pm
by Gps
I am guessing, but only because I know what FM stand for, (radio related)

Pulse Modulation
Frequency modulation
Mix.
Amplitude Modulation. ( that one with a bit of help from google)

Sync totally confuses me, sync what who were? lol

Not that my technical background helps me much, but that's a general issue I have in lmms. Although I do get some of the terms because of my technical background, it does not help me to understand what I am doing nor what that has to do with creating music.

AM vs FM does however remember of radio's, especially on what it does to the sound.

What in general has helped me though, using different synths. First time I opened synth 1,the triple ossicilator, and the mini moog, I was wtf?
Slowly I started to recognize knobs though, because all synths have most of them.

One day I hope to understand as much of the filters. Google is you're friend though, although you always find something lmms related, you can often find something that sheds some light on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_modulation
Because of this wiki, I think I am starting to understand a bit about the sync part.

I am very happy we have internet, this forum, and a lot of vids of people with DAW's and mixing.

Re: layering a track ?

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:08 am
by slipstick
Sorry, what I should have said is that while I know what they stand for (you got them right except PM which is phase modulation) I have difficulty working out what the effect on the sound of using each of them will be. I just need to do more fiddling with them I guess.

Steve

Re: layering a track ?

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 1:46 am
by brandystarbrite
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_modulation
Because of this wiki, I think I am starting to understand a bit about the sync part.

I am very happy we have internet, this forum, and a lot of vids of people with DAW's and mixing.
That was a nice read.
Thanks for that link Gps.

Re: layering a track ?

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:22 pm
by Gps
slipstick wrote:Sorry, what I should have said is that while I know what they stand for (you got them right except PM which is phase modulation) I have difficulty working out what the effect on the sound of using each of them will be. I just need to do more fiddling with them I guess.

Steve
I was close but not sigar. :P Phase modulation. Again I know what a phase is, but that does not help at all LOL.

And I have that same problem, what I think makes it complicated, it does not sound like it does the same to all sounds.
(i have no doubt it does the same though)
Particular Am and that's exactly why it reminds me of old radios, usual only makes it sound worse.