Trance trouble

[T0NIT0RMX]

Funny how hard it is to make music that sounds so simple.

I had the same feeling when I started making my first song in LMMS,
It was meant to be handsup but I didn't manage to get that kick & bass of Handsup music which seemed so simple to get !

[musikbear]

Trance seems to have one melody part repeated over and over. Kicking in after the break.

Exactly!
My so called trance-track is too 'depressive', not uplifting at all, im working on one and it has all the hallmark of my previous ones. It never get to that euphoria part, that is so important in real trance
I think mine is a mash between ambient and trance. Propl. the pads has to much 'room', and i dont get that uplifting thing with that.

[Gps]

Funny how hard it is to make music that sounds so simple.

I had the same feeling when I started making my first song in LMMS,
It was meant to be handsup but I didn't manage to get that kick & bass of Handsup music which seemed so simple to get !

This is for me one of the reasons why I had quite some arguments with certain people over lmms.

They say: Lmms sucks, get fruityloops cubase or albeton. None of them know lmms though nor have they ever used it.
They judge lmms only on the sound and music I get out of it. When I point them to some of the best of lmms tracks, they go quiet.

I do not expect a free program as lmms to be just as good as cubase (or have all the same options), but my "problems" with making music, have nothing to do with lmms.

Slowly I am getting there, but I still have a big problem, that when I hear a song, I do not really have a clue how to do this in lmms.
Melody wise I am getting there, but drums and percussion wise, I still don't really know what I am doing.
The drums and percussion though, are very important, much more then I thought when I started making music. The melody is not really the part, that makes it trance disco or house, or what ever.

A nice example of whatI am trying to say:
A fifth - Walter Murphy ( Why is this disco/funk and not classical music ? although the melody part is 100% classical)
Its the percussion and bassline that makes it disco / funk, not the strings, nor the melody.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MFbn8EbB4k

Or maybe an even better example:
Hooked On Classics The Philharmonic Orchestra Special 12"Disco Mix Remasterd By B.v.d.M. 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX_2p-FMUIg

[Gps]

Trance seems to have one melody part repeated over and over. Kicking in after the break.

Exactly!
My so called trance-track is too 'depressive', not uplifting at all, im working on one and it has all the hallmark of my previous ones. It never get to that euphoria part, that is so important in real trance
I think mine is a mash between ambient and trance. Propl. the pads has to much 'room', and i dont get that uplifting thing with that.

If we are talking about the same trance track though, I really liked it, even though it might not qualify 100% as trance.

In a way we might have the same issue, although I think my problem is bigger. Of all the tracks I made, I really like most, but none of them really turned out as what I had in mind, or what I originally had planned.

There is a creative person in me, but I have to limit / guide my creativity, if I want to make a specific genre.
Funny how some part of me, instantly starts to revolt, if people tell me there are rules. (not just about music)

[T0NIT0RMX]

This is for me one of the reasons why I had quite some arguments with certain people over lmms.

They say: Lmms sucks, get fruityloops cubase or albeton. None of them know lmms though nor have they ever used it.
They judge lmms only on the sound and music I get out of it. When I point them to some of the best of lmms tracks, they go quiet.

I do not expect a free program as lmms to be just as good as cubase (or have all the same options), but my "problems" with making music, have nothing to do with lmms.

I know that too! But I totally agree with you on every points ! I show LMMS to some friends to show them how I made my songs, they were impressed that I get a sound they like using this software , they decided to try it out because it's free and easy to use and now they start making their first songs using it ! Some people user of FL or other DAW didn't believe me that I made "Beyond The Limits" in LMMS, so I show them the project and etc..

Sometimes on YT I see videos of people using FL & every cracked VST existing.. And there songs are bad.. They don't get knowledge because with paid vst's sometimes it's easier to get THAT sound your searching for but if you just get it instantly you won't be able to adjust it to fit your style (this is an example)..

Regarding Beats, you're right ! Drums & Bass line are things that will make your soung sounds like trance or Handsup or techno etc ..

You have to make a very clean Beat that correspond to the genre you're looking for and then you will be able to unleash your creativity and at the same time sounds like the genre you like !

When I start making a song in a new genre I first try to recreate a part of a song I like (never got totally successful though)
But this way, you will be able to compare and understand why your song sounds different than the genre you want !
Give it a try it's worth it !

[Gps]

Sometimes on YT I see videos of people using FL & every cracked VST existing.. And there songs are bad.. They don't get knowledge because with paid vst's sometimes it's easier to get THAT sound your searching for but if you just get it instantly you won't be able to adjust it to fit your style (this is an example)..

Exactly this
That's exactly what most don't get, or are overlooking.

Great tip about trying to cover stuff. I already learned a lot from studying midi files, and trying to cover stuff I liked.

One thing that instantly comes to mind, a midi file from The Rubettes - Sugar Baby Love.

I was totally shocked when I studied it. (something about the 4 most used chords )

If you however like me a year a go, don't know what chords are, you wont notice it.

For those wondering about that song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X7PvU6qYEA

[Gps]

Slowly it seems to turn into trance,

Not really happy yet, but enough progress I think, to share with you guys.
Maybe it needs a synth produced arpeggio?
I also have to find a way I think, to have the drums speed up, prob with that typical trance drum roll?

https://soundcloud.com/user586365033/trance-test-1

[T0NIT0RMX]

Slowly it seems to turn into trance,

Not really happy yet, but enough progress I think, to share with you guys.
Maybe it needs a synth produced arpeggio?
I also have to find a way I think, to have the drums speed up, prob with that typical trance drum roll?

https://soundcloud.com/user586365033/trance-test-1

Glad to see a new version
It still don't have the trance feeling in my opinion, your kick isn't enough pronounced like it don't really "kick" , listen to trance songs and you will see that kicks are really pronounced, also the bass is a bit loud compared to the kick.
The melody is better to fit into trance good point !

Have you put your track at 140-150 bpm ? trance is usually around this,

I suggest you to try to make a simple drums (kick hat clap) and a offbeat bass, that way, I'll be able to tell if the problem is here, just an idea, but maybe give it a try !

[Gps]

Thank you, I will try and listen. Off beat base sounds interesting.

Bpm is at 130 for now, but I was already wondering if it should be faster.

Certainly at the start it too relaxing.

[T0NIT0RMX]

Thank you, I will try and listen. Off beat base sounds interesting.

Bpm is at 130 for now, but I was already wondering if it should be faster.

Certainly at the start it too relaxing.

Good Speed up the BPM ! It will be better I think.

Lol it's a start so there is no problem with it ! Maybe an airy pad playing epic chords would spice up this intro !

You did trance in your last song ! I really had a trance feeling when' I listened to it !