Trance trouble

[Gps]

And another question, how do I get a synth 1 arpeggio off beat ? Is that even possible ?

I already tried to move the two bassline notes a bit in the piano roll but that sounds horrible.

It does work great for the kicks to stand out more though.

[Gps]

For me an very interesting vid, the bassline is off beat. Its not an arpeggio though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFmpPa7UYio

Found some more helpfull vids (fruity loops) LMMS realy needs a soundgoodizer or what ever its called lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq194yj3e3w

[musikbear]

And another question, how do I get a synth 1 arpeggio off beat ?

uhoh - did you make your bass-line as an arpeggio?
No thats not the best way. Notes in piano-roll is better.
I dont like the style 'everything in one B&B', Like in both your video links. I like to have each part in its own B&B, and then build the complete B&B from tiny blocks, just like lego :p -eg
http://lmms.io/wiki/index.php?title=Com ... instrument
Imo it offers most space for variations.
But that is a personal choice :p

btw, when i said 'invite' a ....
What i mean is that you typically has some kind of variation/ effect before a new element, so an effect can 'invite' a new passage, or melody variation, etc.

Your breakdown -imo too similar to the previous part. The more you drop down in intesity and volume, the more you can put into the build-up and euphoria. Just like 'silence before storm'

[brandystarbrite]

Wooah!
musikbear gave you alot of good advice.

To add, my suggestion is that the pads should be a tad bit stronger sounding.

[Gps]

Thank you guys, and something I forgot to mention.
Watching that trance vid with fruity loops. I noticed he did a lot of eq on almost anything of the percussion.
Claps and hi hats, cutting the lower frequencies, and some more cutting to make room for the kick.

[Gps]

@ Brandy, yes but my kicks that for now my problem. A few solution are already suggested.
I have been remixing, and made the pads less loud so the kick would be more present.

Too all.
I am not that happy about them drowning in the basslne and some other tracks, but that synth1 bass-line is the main culprit.

Tried to not use an arpeggio, just single notes, and put the notes off beat, I totally hate how that sounds, but the kicks are instantly better audible.

Need to figure out whats wrong. Something percussion prob needs changing and or the synth 1 sound needs replacing or fine tuning.
Maybe I should to try to cut some low were the bass-line overlaps the kick.

The spectrum analyzer of LMMS might not look that great, but I was able to see the problem already last week or so.

You can easily see that the bassline lives in the exact same part in the spectrum and even overlaps with quite a margin over the kick.
That's one good reason to try what musicbear suggested but for now, it does not seem to work yet.

To my surprise, because I have put thing off beat even before I knew that it was called off beat, and it never sounded this bad.

I can be as simple as changing some percussion parts from 1010 to 0101 have not tried that yet.

I also listened to some repetitive music and noticed some thing else musicbear said. The kick being the same throughout the complete song, but for some short periods it is paused. ( trance )

Faith less - Salva Mea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NXgqFbfrd8

Somebody better understanding all the EDM styles, can prob tell were it belongs.
I don't think this is just called trance?

One question about the link musicbear posted.
Primo Lux - The Wall

Does that not have an arpeggio bass-line ? Right at the start.
I am asking because musicbear, said its better to not use an synth arpeggio.
If this track is the exception to the rule, I can live with it.
His what I call an arpeggio is different from mine though,
He uses much shorter loops with a small pause between them.

[musikbear]

The kick being the same throughout the complete song, but for some short periods it is paused. ( trance )

oh yes, you cut the kick in ann silent pieces of cause the breakdown, but you would also have no kick in a part where you play a clean piano-part, or if the composer like to emphasise a certain melodic part / harmony, then removing the kick, would be a way to shift focus from rhythm to harmonics

I am asking because musicbear, said its better to not use an synth arpeggio.

Uhhoh if i express that, i did bad. I meant to say, that it is better not to use arpeggio as ofBeatBass! ( eg the 00x0 bass)
Remeber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_SQdvCzhhU
That -is- a bass -A rolling-drive-bass! And that is exactly build as a -fake- arpeggio.
For me, i felt that the drive-bass / rolling-bass gave me some of that 'trance-wibe' i had been struggling with

[Gps]

Thank you, and you prob solved the sounding horrible problem

00X0 you say is off beat LOL

As usual I am not worried about telling you guys about my fuck ups.
I know how this came to live but my baseline is 0101 LOL

I think I did this to have base note between the hi hats...

One of my big frustrations for now, the percussion. But as always never give up never surrender.

[brandystarbrite]

@ Brandy, yes but my kicks that for now my problem. A few solution are already suggested.
I have been remixing, and made the pads less loud so the kick would be more present.

Okay.

Too all.
I am not that happy about them drowning in the basslne and some other tracks, but that synth1 bass-line is the main culprit.

Tried to not use an arpeggio, just single notes, and put the notes off beat, I totally hate how that sounds, but the kicks are instantly better audible.

Yep. I know that feeling.

Need to figure out whats wrong. Something percussion prob needs changing and or the synth 1 sound needs replacing or fine tuning.
Maybe I should to try to cut some low were the bass-line overlaps the kick.

The spectrum analyzer of LMMS might not look that great, but I was able to see the problem already last week or so.

You can easily see that the bassline lives in the exact same part in the spectrum and even overlaps with quite a margin over the kick.

Yep. That's a common problem and it's always a challenge too.
Check this out. I don't know if this will help. http://www.homestudiocorner.com/eq-drums/

I also listened to some repetitive music and noticed some thing else musicbear said. The kick being the same throughout the complete song, but for some short periods it is paused. ( trance )

Faith less - Salva Mea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NXgqFbfrd8

Somebody better understanding all the EDM styles, can prob tell were it belongs.
I don't think this is just called trance?

Yep. It's not just trance but a mix up of other genres too. Not my type of music though.

As usual I am not worried about telling you guys about my f ups.

Hey! Watch the language Gps. Lol!

One question about the link musicbear posted.
Primo Lux - The Wall

Does that not have an arpeggio bass-line ? Right at the start.

Yep. That definitely sounds like an arpeggio bass-line.

[brandystarbrite]

Speaking of which, after reading your posts and realising that I'm going through a similar drum problem.
I'm gonna do some tests and see if I could figure out a way for the drums and bass to get along.
Back to the drawing board for me.

Oh, more synth sound making tuts are coming soon dudes.
I'm also going to add more info, to my Trance Gate tut as soon as possible.
So look out for them.