Trance trouble

[brandystarbrite]

Timmy Trumpet - Freaks (Original)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GLe6hEC0zg

And LOL at that vid, I do like repetitive music but don't like that one at all.

Woohoo!
I hear Delay Lama! 10 points!

We also had a talk if it was clipping or not, its really on the edge or just over it.

I remember reading on some forum, that some electro dubstep musicians, deliberately make some of their sounds clip,
to give it an overall sound effect.
Sometimes they use the clipping and blend it in with certain sound effects to make it sound unique too. He! He!

A good example, of a sound that electro dubstep musicians, might use, for that
clipping effect/or to make it deliberately clip, is Overwerks drill sound.
The same drill sound etc. that ACYDE music was interested in a few months back.

And LOL at that vid, I do like repetitive music but don't like that one at all.

Hey, stop making fun of Timmy Trumpets vid. Shame on you.
It was very creative.
I agree, not my type of music, but the Trumpet playing and Delay Lama was nice though.

This track sounds a bit like, good ol' Romanian/Italian folkmusic.

[Snarf]

A good example, of a sound that electro dubstep musicians, might use, for that
clipping effect/or to make it deliberately clip, is Overwerks drill sound.
The same drill sound etc. that ACYDE music was interested in a few months back.

Yep, the LADSPA effect C* Clip is very good at providing lots of distortion for that. The best part is, you can get it to sound clipped without actually having any clipping in your master channel.

[brandystarbrite]

Yep, the LADSPA effect C* Clip is very good at providing lots of distortion for that. The best part is, you can get it to sound clipped without actually having any clipping in your master channel.

Thanks for that info.
I remember that plugin now.

[brandystarbrite]

but that might have to do with my gaming headset. (Sennheiser pc 160)

Hmmm. Interesting looking headset.

Also, how's your Trance track going?

[Gps]

I have not done anything yet.
I have been listening to trance and doing some more reading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trance_music
Acording to this wiki, this is the first trance track:
"Time's Up (Remix)" van Age of Chance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMf-dWacpy0

To me very interesting because it starts with a bassline, then changes the sound, and more and more sounds join in.
Then strings and of-course a kind of break.down, then to a bit of of a climax.

I keep have a nagging feeling that my melody is too complicated. ( But I do not wanna change it )
Do I like sequential my self ? yes, but for some part still trying to figure out were it went slightly off track. Of track as in making trance,

Still not sure if I am happy with all synth sounds and how much I want to change them.

The struggle between trying to be original, but also trying to make something commercial.

[slipstick]

You can either spend all your time trying to sound exactly like everyone else (and failing) or you can learn the BASICS of what makes a track "trance" and do your own Gps trance track....one that sounds good to you and sounds like trance to you. If it sounds good to you it will sound good to at least some other people too.

But what you can't do is both.

Steve

[brandystarbrite]

Slipstick gave some good advice.
And to add to that: You've already reached this far. Don't try to do too much, or overdo yourself.

It's like what Andrew Price from Blender Guru said, don't watch too many tuts to learn Blender.
In other words, don't watch too many/a ton of Trance youtube videos. You've watched enough.
Otherwise, you might end up being confused and you might get a musical headache.
So don't worry too much.

Take it easy, step by step.
Trance music is not an easy genre to make, because you can easily end up straying away and
accidently make, some other genre of music. It's kinda difficult to explain.
Like for example, you try to make a trance track and it ends up sounding like a 90's house track etc. Lol!
I'm sure, you stumbled on that problem already.

I keep have a nagging feeling that my melody is too complicated. ( But I do not wanna change it )

Then don't change it, if you don't want too.
Try to find a way to make it fit in the track, or make the other instruments follow the melody
somehow and go with that. It's not always easy, I know.

Some Trance music tracks have a sort of cool complicated melody.
But, if there is something in the melody you don't like, then cut it out of the melody.
If you don't want to change it, then don't change it.

]The struggle between trying to be original, but also trying to make something commercial.

The best sounding Trance songs, are usually the non-commercial non-generic sounding ones.
If you want to make commercial/generic sounding trance, then Progressive trance is what you might want to aim for.
But that type of Trance music, has almost a nearly, entirely different sound and feel to it.

I'm not a fan of progressive trance. But this one, is really quite nice.
A bit too romantic sounding for my taste.
Peter O'ski Bay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uybzg1rb83s
But it sounds really nice.

If you want, I'll post 4 different sounding, enjoyable trance tracks, that you could listen to over and over and use as a reference.
You could listen to them and see that even though they are all trance music tracks, some have simple melodies and others have complex type melodies and sounds etc.

[musikbear]

Acording to this wiki, this is the first trance track:
:
To me very interesting .

Indeed! But then there are some features that places this right in the mass that is House!
First and foremost : BPM is 125!
That is seriously slow for a trance track
(Then again.. The track Peter O'ski Bay, that @Brandy linked to goes at 129, and that IS trance

The percussion is not 'trance'

The whole track has a jazzy wibe

But @ 5:0 a really 'trancy' part can be heard
I would say that this track could be the link between chicago house style and trance

Good find!

[Gps]

To start at the end.

Ty Musicbear for that remark about house features. When I first listened to that track I was very surprised, this is Trance ?

I recognized that intro instantly, its the kind of disco, sorry EDM I like.

@ Brandy
It seems I am not a fan of progressive house either. LOL
I do not like that track much.

I do love AGE OF GHANGE - TIMES UP

This brings me to what Slipstick said.

The main reason why I went slightly of track is prob because I don't want to copy others, unless I claim to make an cover.

About the track, I am trying synth 1 for the melody.I have already found a few sounds, that are interesting.

[Gps]

Progress, and I hate Musicbear

After changing the first main sound to a more trance like bell ? sound (synth 1 fine tuned preset), track sounds at least more how I want it to sound.


I did not want to do a second breakdown suggested by musicbear, even if he was and is 100% right about that.

The main reason in my mind though was, that it was way too much work,

Then it came to me, On the FX mixer make an extra channel and name it something like FX GLAME Lowpass Filter Cuttoff frewuency.
( no that wont fit on the mixer )

Route this channel at 100 %, to master.

In the song editor add an automation track, drag the cut off frequency from the Glame Lowpass filter into it.
Used that one before and it works damn well. Only trick is to find the right graph in the automation editor.

You want the line you draw to start top left corner. ( that's no cut off ) then down to the left.

Then prob, another point about same height but a bit less cutoff already and a fourth point back to no cutoff.

To find the second point, do this live while listening. Otherwise it will be a lot of trying and failing, like me the first time.

Now just reroute any instruments that you want to low pass, from the master channel to this FX channel.
(instead of making a separate lowpass filter automation track for each instrument, which is allot of work)

I hope to post the updated track in a few days....

Listening to stuff like the roots of trance mix, I notice I have been to this music before it was called trance.
I never payed any interest in what genre a track was, there were two genres, the ones I liked and the ones I did not like.
Then there was Disco, Reggae, Rock, Blues, rhythm and blues, Hip hop, Electro. and classical music.

It starts getting confusing for me when people start about soul and funk and then the 20 types of EDM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdh1s_eXkhs