Trance trouble

[Gps]

Latest version, looking forward to feedback. ( the second breakdown is not finished yet, it clearly needs more work, but you can hear the Glame lowpass filter. ( for now on three synths )

Biggest change, swapped the Tipple Ossilator bell, to a Synth1 bell sound.
Minor change on intro and first breakdown.
Work in progress, second breakdown.

https://soundcloud.com/user586365033/sequentialnew

[brandystarbrite]

This sounds very good.
I listened to the whole thing again.
I was trying to post some small advices, on certain parts of the track on soundcloud.
But for some strange reason, I can't log in.

But I definitely like what I hear so far.
I like the breakdown parts too.
Whatever you did and added in to this track, you made this long track, sound waaaaay more interesting.
Very nice. good work.

[musikbear]

You can see i marked 2 parts
1:52 good! change, but the 2:06 what do YOU think about that

Same for 3:02 Good! What about 3:13 ?

Your new break works fine, but its short

Maby -just maby, you should look at the track as your trance learning experience, and reuse the good main melody in a new track, where you work with the structure-model i believe slipstick gave us, eg The-wall structure

Delete my sC comments if you like :)

[Gps]

@Brandy thank you

I did not change that much but from the first time I had my melody, I was very happy with it but also had this nagging feeling, k this sounds good but is it a good trance sound? (dreamy sound)

Then tried synth 1, mostly because it has great sounds for trance.

[Gps]

You can see i marked 2 parts
1:52 good! change, but the 2:06 what do YOU think about that

Same for 3:02 Good! What about 3:13 ?

Your new break works fine, but its short

Maby -just maby, you should look at the track as your trance learning experience, and reuse the good main melody in a new track, where you work with the structure-model i believe slipstick gave us, eg The-wall structure

Delete my sC comments if you like

Thank you

Its funny you mention that structure model.

The more I listen to trance the more I get convinced my melody changes too much and too often.
Trance is much more about repeating, and adding stuff to hide you're listening to a loop
My current track violates some of those rules.

My build up has a variation in it, which I do not hear in any other trance tracks. ( using more notes )


The track at the end does sound like trance.

The part starting around 5 min, I really like. Specially this beep beep beep beep beep following the start of the loop.


About the time stamps, I think I am confused. Do you mean the bell sound gets a tad too loud ? ( i have it fade in a bit )
1.52 and 2.06 Or do you mean the melody going up in tone height ?
Or that there should be another variation ? or none of the above ?

The new break is rather short indeed.

[Gps]

I knew there was something I forgot to mention.

I found some calf stereo plugin.

A lot of knobs but also also two named phase right and phase left.
I like this stereo effect better then the stereo enhancer.

[musikbear]

the more I get convinced my melody changes too much and too often.

Yes, in the start you have a super wibe going, and then you almost emediately changes it. It could be much longer before that change

About the time stamps, I think I am confused. Do you mean the bell sound gets a tad too loud ? ( i have it fade in a bit )

No, its more like the 'wibe' in the change.. it is dead subtle, but if you listen to the change at timestamp good, and then listen to the other -What is your feeling
It all comes down to the chord succession scheme, but maybe i should make a tutorial around succession 'rules'

[Gps]

A tutorial on that would be great.

I have found, what you mean 3.02 and 3.13.

I have a chord progression. I am not sure, if I hear what you mean, but from almost day one, I do have a nagging feeling that my chord progression is not right from a trance perspective.

I can hear I am doing something different, but have not figured out what exactly. Maybe I just need to repeat each part longer.
I then will have to kill some variations in my track, but I can live with that, because I want to make trance.

I do remember a line from one of the many trance tutorials. It said something like, change key ones in a while.
I am changing key much more then that. lol

Edit:
My "blocks" are now 8 long ( the number 8 in the piano roll)
I could try 16. For trance 16 is also good.
Then keep each part in the song editor, same length so I will end up with less key changes.

Then prob go up as small step as possible tone wise.

[Gps]

What I like to add,

What I do hear is that my chord progression in some places seems to kill the trance.

[brandystarbrite]

I do remember a line from one of the many trance tutorials. It said something like, change key ones in a while.

That's some interesting advice you got from that trance tut.
Because changing the keys, once in a while, makes the music sound less repetitive.

Also, how is your Trance track going along? Anymore progress?