The struggle of Gps learning music and sheetmusic

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Thank you, learned something new. :)

Also very interesting, use delay but only use wet signal. Gonna try that for sure.

While watching a you tube vid of Jean Michel Jarre, were he was talking about his tracks , and how he used albeton 9 light for one track.

He added delay to a channel to make the sound more wide stereo wise.

Not sure if we can do this in lmms with one track, but we can do this with two track were one is panned to the left, the other to the right, and then add delay only on one of them. ( that was at least how I understood what he did, he only added delay to one side )
He called it: to make a more spacey sound.

Back to Kraze, its again funny how hard something sounding so bloody simple, is so hard to cover.
( without totally killing it )

Been listening to my version and all swing was gone.
Now I am on the track of at-least getting some swing into my version.

And yes there is atleast one other or its the same with allot of echo on it. :)

The bassline is giving me also a headache timing wise. Been moving notes forth and back on that track too.
Maybe its again whilted notes. Definitely gonna try again with this new knowledge.

It can be so frustrating, you keep moving notes, and all you hear, nope that's not it. :P
Gps wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:09 pm

Not sure if we can do this in lmms with one track, but we can do this with two track were one is panned to the left, the other to the right, and then add delay only on one of them.
Yes i did that in a tutorial on 'spacey' fuller sounding pianos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1vO-DmB6Os
It can be so frustrating, you keep moving notes, and all you hear, nope that's not it.
Been there too :P
Just need to vent some frustration, this track is driving me nuts :P
I think I am starting to understand were the funk and or swing comes from in computer music.
Main reason why I am trying to cover, Kraze - The Party

If only I knew how to apply it in my Kraze cover. :P

Layering a synth1 organ sound with delay, on a 4front piano vst, kinda opened my eyes, or was it my ears.

The synth 1 delay part is what gives the organ the swing. ( and the chorus / flanger part )

Also downloaded about 4 more piano vst, not given up yet.
Thinking starting new track with just second piano part of kraze, and see how I can make it sound right.
How did I ever make EDM without side chaining?

Recently started to use the calf side chain compressor, and it solves many mixing issues.

I am not using it for the trance stutter effect, but to have the kick not getting overpowered.

Should have learned to use that much earlier. The one knob I really love, is the gain knob, you can make the instrument your pushing out of the way, louder. :)

Still happy with my progress, but there is enough room to improve in making melodies (hits ;) ) and mixing.

Mixing my tracks right, is allot harder then I expected when I started making music.

In my latest track I also use a saturator. One on a vocal sample, but also one the master channel.

Easy to overdo it as with allot of the mixing stuff.

These days also listening to my music and comparing it with tracks mixed by pro's.
Trying to hear were I need to improve.

Using a new trick. Not to mix constantly at one low volume level.
Sometimes crank up the volume a bit to hear if you're mix still sound right at a bit louder levels.

Learned so much, and still so much more to learn.

What is fun though, how my first tracks sound, and how my latest tracks sound.
Progress :)
Listening to Boogie Woogie, I think its time somebody did a boogie woogie track in LMMS. :P

I am a bit worried because it needs swing, but we will see :P

I am also wondering about the difference between Boogie Woogie and rock and Roll / Blues, although I saw a vid of somebody calling it basically speeded up blues.

It looks simply enough, but I made that mistake before. :P

At 1.39 min triplets :o
I am already getting a headache on how to set the piano roll for that. I can't ?
Or will I just have off grid notes ? or I am not getting triplets right ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsCiyPHI3kI

Not Rock and Roll ?
Is this vid named wrong ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__iZjcZUrtM

At least this one is boogie woogie for sure.
Albert Ammons : Boogie Woogie Stomp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBmVtW5qxGs

Might have to use my midi keyboard to get the rhythm in, saving me a world of hurt to get it right by the mouse,
My sense for rhythm is much better then my understanding of how something looks in a piano roll. :P
Found something

Boogie Woogie Vs Rock n Roll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSozPRgck1c

So its about swing, and this guy also says rock and roll and boogie woogie are cousins :P

Rock and Roll piano is a straight rhythm and boogie woogie has swing. :)

Now I understand why I at first was quite confused about the difference,

There is also a this wiki about Rock and Roll dance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_Roll_(dance)
During the development of the musical genre rock and roll, dances to go with the music were also created. From swing, which came into being around 1920, Lindy Hop emerged, the first partner dance ever to feature acrobatic elements. Lindy Hop was modified around 1940 to suit faster music, creating the style known as boogie woogie.
Gps wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:03 pm
Found something
During the development of the musical genre rock and roll.....
yaya, and Rag also ned to be mentioned!

Triplets <normalNote+T> -Those are easy on pinano-roll because we already got triplets
1/32T, 1/16T, 1/8T, 1/4T and even 1/2T notes in the Piano Roll note dropdown. It's just that they're called
1/48, 1/24, 1/12, 1/6 and 1/3
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Triplet: 1/32T, 1/16T, 1/8T, 1/4T  1/2T
P-roll : 1/48,  1/24,  1/12, 1/6   1/3
Now Boogie triplets are not notes, but distances, but it is still easy in our piano-roll

PopQuizz :) How is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLbXsLVlAEs related?
Thank you :)

I just noticed in LMMS, the number 3, with the triplets , you mention. :)

I am not getting it though, I had set quantisation to 1/16 and then note length to 1/24, and I am totally confused were the name triplets come from. I still have 4 notes in a beat ?

Am I doing this wrong? Should I maybe request a triplet tutorial ? :P

I suspect Domenico Alberti - Sonata IV in Gm has triplets, but I would be lying if I said I can hear it. :)
Gps wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:48 am
quantisation to 1/16 and then note length to 1/24, I still have 4 notes in a beat ?
maybe request a triplet tutorial ? :P
-You will only have 4 notes in a bar with 4 beats, but there are spacing between those notes! right? 1/24 < 1/16
I suspect Domenico Alberti - Sonata IV in Gm has triplets,
Nehh its the bass. That alternating lovely boogie-bass, that is 'invented' by Alberti! -And has the name Alberti-bass He did it on harpsichord, and Mozart loved it, he uses Alberti-style phrases all through his works, and Alberti-bass then goes right up through music, and becomes a very important part of modern bass-playing : Finger-bass
Aand.. It is also the mold for arpeggio, but arps has a loose pattern whereas Alberti worked with a restricted pattern for every chord
1710-40 that Alberti got it so right! ..30 y. ..*sigh*
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