About Royalty problem

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hpik3049 wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:31 am
In conclusion, if the melody of the original sample sounds the same or feels similar, it can cause problems.
That's right??
No, you cant use excepts of existing songs. Its called Sampeling, and it has been deemed illegal. Moby, one of the most active in the Sampeling scene, said : Today its only artist like Kanye, that can afford to use Sampeling.

The Samples in LMMS' folders has nothing to do with Sampeling
musikbear wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:16 pm
hpik3049 wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:53 am
using a sample called Crunck in Shorties
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Is it okay to use it without Royalty?
Noone here can tell you...
@hpik3049 The original track is https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=4093 and states Artistic License 2.0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artistic_ ... icense_2.0
musikbear wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:38 pm
hpik3049 wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:31 am
In conclusion, if the melody of the original sample sounds the same or feels similar, it can cause problems.
That's right??
No, you cant use excepts of existing songs. Its called Sampeling, and it has been deemed illegal. Moby, one of the most active in the Sampeling scene, said : Today its only artist like Kanye, that can afford to use Sampeling.

The Samples in LMMS' folders has nothing to do with Sampeling
So anyway,
You recommend that not to use free samples or sampling in any methode in commercial.
( But it is okay to using a sample for own song except using for selling .I mean just listening myself!)
But I can sell my perfectly own creative songs! ( making all my self!! Melody beat composition)
Actually I am not interested in the name of the LMMS folder.
Conclusively, Sample is licensed by others!!so free source program is a totally different with concepts of free sample! Even though if sample is included by open source program, but Using a sample for selling is a really hazard problem!
Additionally
I just wonder how the same loop can be heard in different songs.
EX) https://youtu.be/mH857oDNGcg
https://youtu.be/sYABiWUGsLc
Compare the two different songs. :D :D
zonkmachine wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:22 am
musikbear wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:16 pm
hpik3049 wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:53 am
using a sample called Crunck in Shorties
::
Is it okay to use it without Royalty?
Noone here can tell you...
@hpik3049 The original track is https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=4093 and states Artistic License 2.0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artistic_ ... icense_2.0
If you have time, can you answer my question?
Thanks to Musik Bear, but I still have questions.
Please answer me first, yes or no and next description
1. Can we sell our own songs using by LMMS's instruments?
2. Are all Basic MMPZ files of LMMS can be transformed and available for my song? ( I heard that I have to taking a permission about selling music by original composer)
3. Is the free sample pack has no royalty? or If i purchased some sample pack, then i can use it with no royalty?
4. How can the same loop be heard in two different songs?
See YouTube links in previous post for examples
Though there was a plagiarism controversy, a singer named zico said that anyone who bought a sample would be able to use it, so he was cleared of plagiarism charges. :D :D
hpik3049 wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:31 am
musikbear wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:38 pm
hpik3049 wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:31 am
In conclusion, if the melody of the original sample sounds the same or feels similar, it can cause problems.
That's right??
No, you cant use excepts of existing songs. Its called Sampeling, and it has been deemed illegal. Moby, one of the most active in the Sampeling scene, said : Today its only artist like Kanye, that can afford to use Sampeling.

The Samples in LMMS' folders has nothing to do with Sampeling
So anyway,
You recommend that not to use free samples or sampling in any methode in commercial.
( But it is okay to using a sample for own song except using for selling .I mean just listening myself!)
But I can sell my perfectly own creative songs! ( making all my self!! Melody beat composition)
Actually I am not interested in the name of the LMMS folder.
Conclusively, Sample is licensed by others!!so free source program is a totally different with concepts of free sample! Even though if sample is included by open source program, but Using a sample for selling is a really hazard problem!
Additionally
I just wonder how the same loop can be heard in different songs.
EX) https://youtu.be/mH857oDNGcg
https://youtu.be/sYABiWUGsLc
Compare the two different songs. :D :D
hpik3049 wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:59 am
If you have time, can you answer my question?
Very limited but these are not simple yes/no answer kind of questions.

hpik3049 wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:59 am
1. Can we sell our own songs using by LMMS's instruments?
Excluding the samples for now, yes.

hpik3049 wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:59 am
2. Are all Basic MMPZ files of LMMS can be transformed and available for my song? ( I heard that I have to taking a permission about selling music by original composer)
No. If you follow the license of the original work, yes, but not all demo projects have clear licenses and they need to be updated. Work is under way from our side.
Here is the source directory for the demos directory: https://github.com/LMMS/lmms/tree/stabl ... ects/demos
It includes a file named LICENSES.TXT where some of the projects have their licenses declared. It's unfortunately incomplete. Since you're hesitant about this you should leave projects that are unclear (Ashore for instance). For the projects that have a license you need to read up on this and if you need any further clarification, you need to get in contact with the original artist.

hpik3049 wrote: 3. Is the free sample pack has no royalty? or If i purchased some sample pack, then i can use it with no royalty?
If a sample pack says it royalty free, then you need to ask yourself if you trust the source. There could be more sites that hand out royalty free samples that are just copied/pasted from just about anywhere than there are legally correct sites. Many of theses are acting in good faith and just don't understand the licenses involved.
If you purchase a sample pack then you need to read the fine line info on how you can use the samples.

hpik3049 wrote: 4. How can the same loop be heard in two different songs?
See YouTube links in previous post for examples
Though there was a plagiarism controversy, a singer named zico said that anyone who bought a sample would be able to use it, so he was cleared of plagiarism charges. :D :D
I don't need to listen to the above examples to answer this. You hear songs that use parts of older songs every day. These samples are cleared with the original artist/copyright holder. What some guy named zico thinks about the matter is totally irrelevant as this is really complex legal stuff.

I can give you two examples of samples used based on reality. The first is the case of The Verve who used a sample from The Rolling Stones in their super hit, Bitter sweet symphony. They lost every penny. In essence because there were lawyers involved who just worked around the clock to grab as much as they could. As I understand it The Verve thought the sample was cleared but that didn't help them.
The second example is this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZgy7Tiacys
It's Edward Blom, a Swedish guy who shows up now and then on TV and talks about food. An average viking. He didn't do this song/video. Is it OK to use the samples like this? Legally no. Culturally yes. It's about how online/youtube culture works. Edward could use a law firm to defend his voice online and just take this video down or claim every single penny from it. Does he? No. He mails the guy and gets a reasonable share instead. Win/Win. Edward Blom is a hero.

I wouldn't use a loop from a source I don't know/trust and I wouldn't use a loop shipped as default with any studio software. I wouldn't because too many other would. Also, it's hard to maintain an open source sample library. You need to be a team working together and everybody involved need to understand the basics of the laws around this. If you download a sample from https://freesound.org/ (awesome place) you still need to understand that some of the stuff uploaded there are done by kids with lots of free time, a computer and just rudimentary potty training. This is one of the reasons why LMMS can't just put together an awesome loop collection with random stuff found online with a suitable license. The samples/loops issue isn't one issue and it's not an lmms issue. The samples shipped with lmms has been looked over recently and should mostly be cleared legally but this doesn't mean that a sample couldn't be pulled next week for legal reasons.

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