House beat

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I have been listening allot to house (old school) mixes, and try to make a beat like that in LMMS, but seem to fail again and again.

I wonder if my problem comes from not knowing the name of drums very well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH8-x5U7XsA&t=1910s

2min 50
43min. a classic :P

The trouble I have is the shh shh ssh sound.
Are that high hats or not ? Nothing in lmms seems to sound like this ?

I expect I am looking at the wrong spot though, or totally misinterpret what I hear?

The kick is easy its 4 to the floor. Then I hear a clap but its probably layered ?

I hear this type of beat allot in house mixes. I even wonder is some part is programmed into the mixer not coming from the records ? .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rUy2VdzQAA

12 nin 30
19m 20

They are not entirely the same. but the seems to share an off beat sound.
And a clap.
What is that off beat sound ? :P something in reverse ?

One track from the mix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XMsYQuY8rI



This is driving me nuts.
The offbeat percussion in the beginning is definitely hi-hats. There is a difference between an open hi-hat sound and a closed hi-hat sound. I believe LMMS comes with several hit-hat samples. There is also a lot of random percussion thrown in as well. I would encourage you to take a look in the LMMS Samples catalogue, and check the sharing platform on the site as well. They have several samples, presets, projects, and etc. for you to enjoy.
Gps wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 8:42 pm
Are that high hats or not ?
Long highhats, close to 'crashes' , but then HP-filtered, and some 'bump' in it. I think like a reverse next to a normal, and then it fades
But the real Q is properly "On what beat and what tick"
How is that 'drive' build?
I think the answer is as with the driving bass in trance: velosity differences in notes very close to eachother.
I have not done anything in that old-school funk, meigt be fun trying to get that 'Drive' -or is it Jjive -It all comes from jazz, no doubt :p
Thank you.

You say long hi hats, now that one problem I am having. I have tic tic instead of a tshhh tshhh sound. :)

Gonna have a look in the extra hats folder :)

And the HP filter :) I think that was something else I was missing.

Been trying to add a reverse hat, but gonna do some more trying, now I know I was on the right track.
Also tried a shaker. :P

There is definitely a drive. Almost all house tracks have something like this.
All about the bass line and percussion.

And yes its funk related, like the good disco was. Or should we say is?
Daft Punk, Disco never really died ? :P
Did not know that funk comes from jazz though. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBXv37PFcAQ
Too funny that vid from soultrain over it, but a great example of funk disco, but not from the 70 ties, 80 ties ? like the vid.
And of course a syncopated guitar. :)

Also gonna see what I can do with the velocity.
I think I hear something, that velocity changes can do. :)

( Its funny, have made some type of house track , and I am pretty happy with it, but not with the percussion which I want to sound like the examples I gave. )
Already some progress.

Folder Drumsynths , misc hats :)

Used Dusty simple hh, Twice, one in reverse, and I moved the notes of the reverse one 1/64 to the left in the piano roll. :P
Then a little fiddling with the start point of the reverse one (on the audio file processor), to make it sound as one sound.


And there we have this over the top ? but typical house tsssshhhh tsssshhhh sound

Now lets add an hp, and see what we can do with the velocity.
The more I listen to the original house, the more I start to wonder about that off beat Hi hat.

Every thing seems to point to timing. Almost like it starts too early.

In lmms I still have two hi hats.

One in reverse starting before the other one not in reverse.
Had to move the notes of the reversed one, to the left in the piano roll, to achieve this.
For now happy, with that track, it has now a house type percussion.

But, this track.
Brodanse - Activate feat. Cari Golden (Original Mix)

Starts at 0.16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNzqPCjC53I

Or is it because the kick is compressed and has allot of attack ?

I hear different hats, but only the off beat one sounds timing wise weird. ( but great :P )
What is happening here? Is it in reverse ?

Or am I on the right track by using two hats, for that one sound ?
Gps wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 11:18 pm
The more I listen to the original house, the more I start to wonder about that off beat Hi hat.
Is that Brodance complicated?
I get 118 bpm and then its something like

Image
It fits the video
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Nah i made a dodoo. Theres kick on all beats, not just every second :| -sorry
Oh my god, gonna try that. That must be it. :D

This type of house, is 4 to the floor, nothing special there.
Then an off beat hi hat, but that hi hat is not standard.

Not just in this track. and It seems to be how to get that house groove.

There is often an 8 beat long loop, often using some kind of question an answer.

Like the bass in this track. up 4 beats down 4 beats but its the same loop or almost the same loop.

Then there always seems to be a funk bassline. ( the disco roots )

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