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Is it possible to expand the piano roll?

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:47 am
by NaeAyy
I'm trying to produce microtonal tracks using ZynAddSub, and a difficulty I've found is that the piano roll is of insufficient size to support the amount of octaves I need. When I divide an octave into 31 instead of 12, octaves become a lot wider on the keyboard, and I can only access like 3 octaves at a time. Any suggestions on a way around this? Pitch correction sucks because it completely distorts the sound.

Re: Is it possible to expand the piano roll?

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:32 am
by NaeAyy
I found a workaround - ZynAddSub allows you to move which key is the center "A" key in the scale menu.

Re: Is it possible to expand the piano roll?

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:17 pm
by musikbear
NaeAyy wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:32 am
I found a workaround - ZynAddSub allows you to move which key is the center "A" key in the scale menu.
That can you also do in LMMS.
We call it the Base-note. Default it is A4, and denoted be the small marker on the keyboard of the instrument-preset UI.
Read more about that feature here:
https://docs.lmms.io/user-manual/3-navi ... -base-note
Real micro-tonal setups would however best be achieved by using the PITCH-dial in combination with the range-settings
I made a video on that :

Re: Is it possible to expand the piano roll?

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:28 pm
by NaeAyy
musikbear wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:17 pm
That can you also do in LMMS.
We call it the Base-note. Default it is A4, and denoted be the small marker on the keyboard of the instrument-preset UI.
Read more about that feature here:
https://docs.lmms.io/user-manual/3-navi ... -base-note
Real micro-tonal setups would however best be achieved by using the PITCH-dial in combination with the range-settings
I made a video on that : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veGhJ0XkNO0
Thank you, that is helpful for using VSTs that don't support microtonality natively. I do find this method a bit limiting, though, and very cumbersome, considering that I would have to have multiple instances of the same "instrument" to utilize any complex tuning system. Keeping track of chords across multiple piano rolls is a real pain :lol: ! I try to use VSTs that support microtonal tuning natively as it simplifies the process of microtonal production significantly.

Thanks for your response.

Re: Is it possible to expand the piano roll?

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:03 am
by Monospace
How do you use microtones on ZynAddSubFX?

Re: Is it possible to expand the piano roll?

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:29 pm
by musikbear
Monospace wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:03 am
How do you use microtones on ZynAddSubFX?
There is a subpage for it, but it make no sense atm. You can microtune zasfx, but it cant be saved!

Re: Is it possible to expand the piano roll?

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:24 pm
by Monospace
Is there some way to make it save-able? microtones would be useful in a lot of circumstances if you ask me.

Re: Is it possible to expand the piano roll?

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:53 am
by brandystarbrite
musikbear wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:29 pm
You can microtune zasfx, but it cant be saved!
Oh man. Now that is disappointing. :/