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slipstick wrote:Sub bass is more or less anything on the keyboard below about C2. And you need good speakers/phones to hear it .

Steve

Snarf wrote:

ACYDE Music wrote:I'm surprised how much you can make in LMMS.
A very good song, I think.
May I ask, what is a sub bass?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-bass

Sub bass is basically the lowest notes. It's often felt more than heard because of how low it is, but it's still important to have a sub bass supporting the normal bass to give it some punch. A good and easy way to make a sub bass in LMMS is to use a plugin that can make sine waves, and use that in very low notes.

For example:

Thanks for the answers!
I try on an electro house song with growls etc ..
That's pretty hard because I have to find out if I can make growls with Triple Oscillator

Snarf wrote: Sub bass is basically the lowest notes. It's often felt more than heard because of how low it is, but it's still important to have a sub bass supporting the normal bass to give it some punch. A good and easy way to make a sub bass in LMMS is to use a plugin that can make sine waves, and use that in very low notes.

I have noticed some of this. There are sounds that make a track sound better, You can not really hear them, when all instruments are playing, but you do notice it, when you take them out.

I also had a problem while trying to make a fat bass sound, I kept trying and kept failing, until I realised, you can't only use very low notes, if you want a fat (loud) sound.

Is it ok that I so much question here?
Or should I look for solutions themselves?

Gps wrote: I also had a problem while trying to make a fat bass sound, I kept trying and kept failing, until I realised, you can't only use very low notes, if you want a fat (loud) sound.

Exactly right. That's why the triple oscillator sometimes sounds a lot better than some of the other plugins- it's three synths layered over each other, all at different octaves (by default). You can have low, medium, and high pitched notes all mixed in the same synth, which is pretty awesome.

Also, a little tip for making synths have a "fatter" or "wider" sound: use panning and stereo-phase detuning/offset to spread the sound out. It's a little hard to describe, so here are some screenshots:

Starting with a basic synth:


Add panning and stereo phase adjustments:

ACYDE Music wrote:I try on an electro house song with growls etc ..
That's pretty hard because I have to find out if I can make growls with Triple Oscillator

You can make growls with the triple oscillator, but don't expect it to be super easy. Trial and error is your friend . But while I'm taking screenshots, I might as well make a wobble bass:


The same synth, but with an LFO'd Moog filter.

thank you.

Snarf wrote:Sub bass is basically the lowest notes. It's often felt more than heard because of how low it is

Nicely said.
That's a good way of putting it Snarf.
You really do feel those sounds.

Gps wrote:I have noticed some of this. There are sounds that make a track sound better, You can not really hear them, when all instruments are playing, but you do notice it, when you take them out.

Yep.
That would also explain what was happening in one of my trance music projects.
I made an air wind rush sound and lowered the volume.
When the track played, you could barely hear it. And the track felt and sounded Full.
But when I took it out, the track felt sparse.

The same thing with a low sounding subby bass I made.
You could barely hear it when it's playing, but when you remove it, the track sounded sparse and a bit emptyish.

So in other words, these sounds really do make a track sound fuller and wider.

Gasp!! Think of the endless possibilities. O_O
Wrd.

brandystarbrite wrote:

Snarf wrote:Sub bass is basically the lowest notes. It's often felt more than heard because of how low it is

Nicely said.
That's a good way of putting it Snarf.
You really do feel those sounds.

Gps wrote:I have noticed some of this. There are sounds that make a track sound better, You can not really hear them, when all instruments are playing, but you do notice it, when you take them out.

Yep.
That would also explain what was happening in one of my trance music projects.
I made an air wind rush sound and lowered the volume.
When the track played, you could barely hear it. And the track felt and sounded Full.
But when I took it out, the track felt sparse.

The same thing with a low sounding subby bass I made.
You could barely hear it when it's playing, but when you remove it, the track sounded sparse and a bit emptyish.

So in other words, these sounds really do make a track sound fuller and wider.

Gasp!! Think of the endless possibilities. O_O
Wrd.

Ok, thanks

slipstick wrote:Sub bass is more or less anything on the keyboard below about C2. And you need good speakers/phones to hear it .

Steve

Yep. So true.
That is good info you provided there Slipstick.

That interesting info on sub basses, provided by Snarf and you, will come in handy, for many newbies and others.

ACYDE Music wrote:Is it ok that I so much question here?
Or should I look for solutions themselves?

Go ahead and ask. And at the same time, try to figure out things too.
That's why we're all here on the Lmms Forums.
To ask questions on Lmms stuff that we don't know.

Just next time, post questions like these in Production Help section of the forum. He! He!