Can't input Midi from Keyrig 49

[abrogard]

New today.

Following instructions on setting up keyboard midi input (https://lmms.io/wiki/index.php?title=Using_MIDI) I find the preset and click and get the triple oscillator general settings and I click on enable midi and I find keyrig 49 listed as the only listing and I click on it - and I'm ready to go but nothing happens.

I accidentally discovered it will actually take input from my computer keyboard with these settings. When I went from this posting to that window to check on what I was telling you, and tapped a couple of keys thinking I was still here, I got sound in my headphones and the volume monitor lights up in lmms.

How do I get it to take input from the keyrig?

I have win10 here on an asus H170pro.

p.s. there is no channel or velocity for the midi input though the midi output (not enabled) has channel '1' showing in the window.

[slipstick]

Sounds like you're doing the right things. You're in the Triple Osc MIDI tab. You click on the little keyboard in MIDI Input enable and then on the name of your MIDI keyboard. You should see a tick by the name and the green light in front of MIDI INPUT ENABLE should be lit. O.k. so far ?

When you press any keys on the Keyrig you should see the green light by the volume control in Song Editor coming on and the master meter in FX mixer lighting up. Anything ?

BTW the computer keyboard and the little keyboard at the bottom of the Triple Osc box should also work but they're nothing to do with MIDI.

Steve

[abrogard]

Thanks for the reply, Steve.

Things are getting better. I see all you've mentioned. There's a green light by MIDI INPUT. When I press keys on the keyrig I get a light before the Vol on TripleOscillator and I get green bar on the Master Meter.

I must be nearly there...

And I can hear in my headphones the sound.

And I was trying with Anvil Studio a minute ago and I got input there alright but the piano roll showed (and played back) only one kind of note duration. A single note. I could not make a longer nor a shorter note. Pitch was okay, moved with the notes, but duration no.

Had me worried I had a broken Keyrig.

But LMMS plays pitch and duration fine. So that's a relief. And one up for LMMS.

Now, though: I've got the piano roll thing there and it is telling me I have no pattern. Please open one by double clicking it. I've no idea what a pattern is, where to find it or why I might need it.

Perhaps if you can steer me to that I'll be off and running.

My sole modest ambition is to play already written music into a midi file so's I can feed the midi file into Musescore and get a score of it.

Ahhh.... 'salright, I've done it. Found a thread about it which steered me to the pattern thing. Click just in front of tripleosc and it's a goer.
And it worked. I got marks on the piano roll for what I played. (duration and all).

I'm within shouting distance of the holy grail... just can't find now how to save a MIDI file that I can input to Musescore. Looking at exports and save as......

aaahhh..... the plot thickens, ain't that the way of the computer world....... it turns out LMMS doesn't export MIDI....

Found a thread: viewtopic.php?t=1253

Downloading Aria Maestoso... not sure how it is going to help... can import a music file from LMMS and turn it into MIDI?

p.s. no desktop shortcut for LMMS on win10?

[slipstick]

You've opened the piano roll using the button in the toolbar. But it needs to be associated with an instrument/track. Go back to the Song Editor and double click on the first black square against the instrument you're using. The instrument name will appear on the top of the Piano Roll screen and you'll be in business.

Since you can have several piano rolls active at once it's best to open them by double clicking as above. The toolbar button just opens whichever one you were using last.

Steve

[abrogard]

I've done the whole thing!

I downloaded something I think - or maybe I'm mixing up with stuff I downloaded for other packages - but anyway 'export midi' now appears in the file menu and it works, it worked for me.

So I've input and I've exported. Now I can put it into Musescore and I'm done, off and running, can work on for months now...

Thanks for your help, Steve, much appreciated.

p.s. Don't understand the 'black square' in the song editor though. I've clicked all over the thing and I can't get any piano roll to come up. Somewhere near the 'actions for this track' cogwheel thing or where from there?

and do you know to get a desktop icon up for LMMS on win10, that'd be nice?

[slipstick]

O.k. black rectangle then - it's what LMMS calls a segment.


For an icon I just create a normal shortcut on the desktop.

Steve

[abrogard]

On my machine the dividing lines were too faint for me to see that there's a division into rectangles there.. I see them now.

But I'd tried clicking there anyway and it didn't work. Because I misunderstood. I was trying to double click there and get a piano roll up when I already had a piano roll up. Misinterpreted your statement that we can have multiple rolls.

You meant many rolls but only one roll for each instrument, I'm thinking now?

In fact that black 'rectangle' area is a miniature piano roll - or time line they'd call it in video editing, isn't it?

Thanks. I'm progressing. Have got what I came for already, now.

But as soon as you get what you want you want more...

As well as this input from MIDI project I also have a clarinet I play and an acoustic guitar with pickup and an old Casiotone 701 keyboard.

Can I input them to it, too? The clarinet is obviously anologue and I suspect the Casiotone is, too. It has nothing marked MIDI out, just a 'Line Out'. That'd be analogue audio I guess? And the guitar pickup would also be analogue wouldn't it?

The Casio is a pretty crappy sounding thing and needs throwing away really. But if it were used for note input into things like LMMS that can change the sound then it'd become useful.

If that happened then it would turn out I didn't need the keyrig. I only got it for the MIDI feature. If I could input the Casio then LMMS would output MIDI regardless of what the input was, wouldn't it?

[slipstick]

Nope. Any of those would count as recording audio. The clarinet would need a microphone and then it and the others would have to go through an audio interface (not cheap) to get the sound into the computer. But even with that LMMS simply can't record audio, you'd need a different program, something like Audacity (free).

And you'd just have the overall sound of each instrument that you could apply effects to. Converting audio to into MIDI to give you the individual notes in a form you could use with a different instrument or export for printing is a) difficult, b) expensive and c) doesn't work very well even after you've paid a load of money.

Steve

[abrogard]

Okay. Progs can't disentangle audio input - even just one line - and make a midi file of it?

I thought it could. I know progs can listen to an audio tone and tell us what it is - that's a pc tuner, isn't it? But I guess it's a whole different ballgame doing that in real time for constantly changing pitches, etc..

Wait a minute: I just googled audacity and it seems it will convert mp3 to midi.

https://www.techwalla.com/articles/conv ... pen-source

I'll have to look into it.

So here we seem to be very much synth stuff, right? ( I am very, very ignorant of the whole scene).

The only time I've ever been near anything like this is when I was inputting my guitar to guitar rig and some prog back of that, I can't remember the name of it. I'll try and dig it all out... That was audio, of course, and heavily changed by synth type effects - the sort of stuff you seem to have here.... I've been thinking this is the same...

[slipstick]

There are programs that can manage audio > MIDI provided it's monophonic, single note at a time and not legato (no clear note starts and ends usually confuses them). I haven't seen anything yet that can successfully disentangle chords or anything polyphonic like most of us play on guitars or keyboards. At the moment I don't believe Audacity can do any of it though it has long been on the wishlist. It only exports MIDI if you start off with MIDI not with audio.

But this is well outside the scope of LMMS. If you're really interested in that sort of thing there's an Audacity forum at http://forum.audacityteam.org/ where you might get better information.

Steve