Way too many instruments most of which add nothing to the piece overall save for making the file take decades to open. Posted by: AlphaRok  on 2019-08-09 18:35:12

Also there is zero need for over 150 basslines ever. Posted by: AlphaRok  on 2019-08-09 22:27:59

It's an unfortunate fact that despite many years of development, LMMS is still basically a toy meant for creating simple electronic music. I've become acutely aware of this after spending many frustrating hours awkwardly shuffling around hundreds of BB tracks in order to realize a moderately complex rock drumline, and repeatedly having to create clones of instruments with minor tweaks to a parameter or two because of how poorly automation tracks are handled. In spite of that, I think it's an interesting challenge to try to create something with LMMS that it was never designed for instead of just giving up and writing pattern-based minimalist electronica all the time. Maybe the results aren't worth the effort, but I've never claimed to be a good composer :) And if you're complaining about the load time on this, be glad I never posted some of the REALLY bloated projects I made. I once had a project file that took ~5 minutes to open. And this was back in the days of the broken autosave, so every couple of minutes it was open, LMMS would freeze for about that long trying to save a backup file. What a wonderful time that was... Posted by: supper66  on 2019-08-09 22:36:42

How is having hundreds of BB editors a better solution than using the piano roll that allows you to make infinite amount of unique patterns only using one row of the song editor. You are clearly frustrated with using BBs. I feel like most people, no matter the DAW, make their beats using the piano roll. Posted by: Squatro  on 2019-08-10 12:34:12

@Squatro I'd certainly be doing that if it was practical in LMMS. It isn't. To make piano roll drums usable for complex beats, you need to be able to use the "MIDI style", where each key represents a different drum sample. LMMS doesn't have this capability and can only treat samples as standard instruments, where each key plays the same sample at a different pitch. To create a drumline that way, I'd have to constantly swap between at least 5-6 different piano rolls and would have no way to visualize the overall composition of the drums. On top of that, LMMS has no concept of "infinite-length" notes outside of the BB editor, so I'd have to make sure to stretch every single drum note out long enough to let the sample play in full. The only way I know of to do MIDI-style drums in LMMS is to use the SF2 plugin with an external soundfont... but at that point, you might as well just make your music with a less restrictive program. And honestly, for me, using LMMS is mostly about "how far can I stretch these built-ins to do things they were never meant to do?". If I actually wanted to try to make a "professional" song using a slick interface and dozens of external plugins, there are better options (almost all commercial, unfortunately). Though I'm admittedly using a very out of date version of LMMS, so perhaps I've missed a few recent improvements. Posted by: supper66  on 2019-08-10 14:11:20